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Old Jul 04, 2026, 03:52 PM
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Sorry for the long message, I guess I need to share and to see if some aspects are evocative for others here.
As far back as I can remember, I've always had problems with relationships. My initial state as a child was one of weirdness I would say about social interactions - among other things. I've always had a much richer inner life than social life and initially I played with myself alone or I guess I thought that other children were interested by the same things as me but I was rebuffed - or more (bullied). But that's not really the aspect of the "problem" I want to tackle.
I've never managed to create by myself a friendship or true social links. In the past, up until my first years of studies, it has rather been others who came toward me and something could exist but I saw that I was not good to maintain it.
I am an introvert with a kind of underlying shyness. But over time I've seen that my problems with relationships were not really linked to normal introversion, that they were more peculiar.
When I was a teenager I read a lot about Asperger syndrome as it was called in the days or the conditions linked to the autistic spectrum but I could see that although I related much more to what was described in those books than to other materials, it was different from what I experienced. Although on some ways I guess I had a bit of a harder time than usual to internalize some social codes, my problems had different causes.
During my teenage years I felt quite different from my peers and I thought that once I would do my studies with people with the same intellectual or artistic interests, I would feel differently, more "included" in a group or on the same wavelength as the others. However, the truth was that I continued to feel "different" and to have exactly the same problems of solitude and loneliness. That is something that has existed when I was at university, as a student, then as a teacher and doctoral student and doctor and as a teacher in high school, in various environments, including in those where I would have had the most affinities to colleagues. Even in those, I was unable to build lasting links or social networks - and no relationships, no solid friendship.

It's true that I've got some problems that can be linked to my introversion. I have a kind of limited stock of social energy and these last years, my work as a teacher at high school (which is alas incompatible with my temperament) has taken its toll about that, limiting my energy for the rest of social life. I don't manage very well informal social events. Usually at an evening out with colleagues (for example) I feel rapidly alone and outside the subgroups and I dislike this feeling. In general I perceive well several social aspects but I miss out also quite a number of things. I am not focused on social life as a reflex: when I'm walking in the city, for example, I focus about things, buildings, atmosphere, rather than people.

However when I ponder about it I guess my problems come from something else. When I have an interesting and stimulating chat with a colleague, for example, I can find that stimulating and like the colleague in question, I can will to see that person again, but I don't really feel a drive or a pull toward it. But it seems that there is something that doesn't truly activate in my functioning about that kind of things. It seems to me that usually among people there are automatisms that regulate some part of the relationships and that in my case, they don't exist or are not activated.
I've read a bit about social anhedonia but it doesn't feel exactly like that. I can take pleasure in company and interactions. However I don't crystalize by myself those links and things stay at the same level with people. I don't have the mechanisms that self-propel friendship among other people, I guess.

My mind is much more focused on intellectual and artistic interests and pursuits than on persons although I can find them of course interesting (but often intimidating).
I've never fallen in love and I guess I have never had a truly profound friendship. I get well with my close relatives and I love them. However I am preoccupied by my seemingly incapacity to form more solid links. I feel quite lonely and alone sometimes and I wonder if it will stay the same. But I guess other people can "feel" that something is a bit "off" with me.
I'm trying to find sources and examples of that kind of situation in others to better understand myself.
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Old Jul 04, 2026, 08:19 PM
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Hello @Nerevar I think I can relate somewhat to what you are describing here. I felt it in my own life at a very young age. I was playing beside kids in the sandbox but not with them. At that time it didn't feel uncomfortable. In elementary school I felt the need to be better/smarter/more creative than the others for some reason and I succeeded however this did not win me friends. In middle school.........the bullying started. I didn't know why. I was pretty, quiet, smart and shy and I never bothered anyone which somehow put a bulls eye on my forehead. No friends earned there. In high school the bullying continued and even became physical..........I dreaded lunch time because I had nowhere to hide. It wasn't until my last year of high school that I found my people.............a group of nerds.....very shy, introverted, highly intelligent individuals driven to be the best at everything.........................they were hilarious, fun, didn't care what other people thought of them and as a group we connected, studied and competed with each other for the highest grades and had the best time of our lives. I did not have to earn their friendships. It just happened naturally. Why I ever felt I had to earn friendships I don't know. I often thought I had an attachment disorder d/t being removed from my natural parents at the age of one. Even to this day, I have trouble...........now talking about work. I am quiet, smart and efficient. I don't desire chaos or pettiness or even fitting in for that matter. I refuse to participate in gossip. For some reason people don't like that. I am still being bullied but I don't react, which I'm delighted to say, infuriates them more. Please forgive me if all of this sounds a bit discombobulated but I recently completed a 12 hour night shift. Lol
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Old Jul 07, 2026, 12:15 AM
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Nerevar, your post, by way of free associating, reminded me of a book by Herman Hesse, which I started in my late teens, but didn't read beyond the first few pages. Maybe it was Steppenwolf – I cannot be sure now. I should by the way finally read this big novels, but that is an aside.

In the novel I barely started reading, the narrator and main character sits in a cafe, outside, in a big city, and people-watches. He doesn't connect with these people, but he is in a certain way fascinated by them, and that is how he spends his time. You wrote that you focus, in a city, on things, buildings, and atmosphere, but not people. I wasn't exactly clear what you meant by atmosphere, because to me atmosphere has to do with people. Atmosphere is a conglomerate, maybe of buildings and people, or nature and people, but for me people are part of atmosphere, even if only a small part. Have you ever tried intentionally shifting focus? Say, not connecting with people, but watching them, the way Herman Hesse's narrator did? Would you perhaps find something in them by observing that so far hasn't succeeded in grabbing your interest? Because you are not describing total alienation and isolation. Instead, you are describing something peculiar, where in certain circumstances you do enjoy others' company and conversation, so there is definitely something to build on for you. It is not a total void. It seems a solvable situation if you are willing to experiment and study your own reactions, which should come easily to you as you like self-reflection.
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Old Jul 08, 2026, 06:12 PM
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Ruftin, I send you hugs.
I guess neutral or good gossip is a natural social process for most people but that it can elude people who are wired a bit differently.
I guess the principle to believe we have to "earn" friendship could rise from the results of bullying or one's own peculiar way to envision social relationships.

Tart Cherry Jam : In shall read it because I have no memory of it, but it has been much time I haven't read again from that author.
I can watch people. I am quite good in observation although my mind is not, well, attuned principally and naturally toward people, I guess. People are intriguing and fascinating, partly because they feel so different too. I've always been impressed by them and by this gap.

The problem lies elsewhere. It's my inability to form friendships or relationships that become lived realities for me. I'm turning 37 in a few weeks. Summer is the time of year when I'm alone the longest. If I go on holiday, it's also when I ruminate the most and when the feeling of solitude is strongest.
I also increasingly realize that these same difficulties have probably affected my professional life. In academia, people often build networks almost naturally through friendships, recurring contacts and evolving relationships. I never really managed to do that either outside of obligations.

It's not simply a matter of lacking a social drive. I can approach people (although I rarely initiate things), enjoy conversations, find someone intellectually interesting, and consciously decide that I'd like to see them again. But that's just it: it is a conscious decision rather than something that carries itself forward. And it is often a costly decision: social life is tiring. And I see in my interactions with people that they may feel that I "lack" something. What seems to be missing is the spontaneous relational momentum that many people describe, and the link it creates.

Else, I don't have any experience at all for a relationship as in a couple, obviously.

One aspect of social life with colleagues for example that I've always found hard is when someone does the "we've all done this or that", notably including friendship or love life. It's very hard, I find, to have the impression of being alien to some aspects that people consider "universal". My "alienness" and my particularities are maybe more salient because I'm in a social environment with people who are statistically more with my interests and tastes. However I still find this gap in my way of functioning. It's maybe harder to have the impression to still be so different among people that share more aspects about other things.
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Old Jul 08, 2026, 07:24 PM
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Is it possible that you haven't found your "tribe" yet, and that once you do, you'll feel a bit more connected. I'm not suggesting that you'll become a socialite with the others, but you'll probably tolerate them better and have fun with them.

I've just started re-reading "What Color is Your Parachute?" which was first published in 197x as a job / career self help book. There is a large chapter on "The Flower Exercise" with which readers can understand themselves better with the goal of finding an ideal occupation. I thought about this when I read, "My mind is much more focused on intellectual and artistic interests...." This suggests that your "Holland Code" contains "I" and "A" (as mine does).

I'm more than sixty years old, and I've just found a couple of communities that I'm excited to be a part of and open up to. But I don't immerse myself in them; I mingle enough to know that I'm not alone on this blue-green gem of a planet. I hope that you, too, can find a tribe or two that fits you.
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Old Jul 09, 2026, 04:16 AM
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Wanting to see someone again but no actual pull toward making it happen, I think I recognise that more than I expected to, though probably from a different direction than you're coming from.

I've spent most of my adult life being the person everyone else calls when something needs doing. Family, colleagues, whoever. And I've only recently started wondering if that's actually the same as connecting, or if I've just been so oriented toward the giving side that I never really learned what organic pull feels like. Like I know how to maintain a relationship once someone else has initiated it, but whether I'd generate one on my own... I genuinely don't know.

Which is maybe not what you're describing at all. But the part about watching other people move toward each other with some internal momentum you don't seem to have, that felt familiar in a way I'm still trying to place.
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Old Jul 09, 2026, 04:26 PM
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SquarePegGuy : You know, when I was a teenager, I could tell myself that I would have less problems to socialize when I would meet people with shared interests. Later, during my studies, I've found out that I was still different from people who had the said same interests and hobbies.
My social life is organized around structure and obligation. Once the context is less formal, once obligation and duty disapear, it's something else and I have trouble managing it.

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Indeed, of course, that has been clear from my childhood.

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Like I know how to maintain a relationship once someone else has initiated it, but whether I'd generate one on my own... I genuinely don't know.
I guess I've never truly initiated something. The problem is rather than I am not really able to maintain something - or rather said, that it stays stable at the most and never becomes a true friendship for example. I guess people "feel" the lack by the way. From my part, I can find people pleasant but I guess I don't send the "signals" people usually send in that case - and that I don't perceive them really, or don't know what to do of them.
One colleague has told me several times that she liked to talk with me ; she is pleasant and interesting - but it is a constatation that is analytical from my part and linked to my will, while I guess when she says that our discussions are good it's more linked to a feeling. I don't feel something special except a kind of pleasantness but which stays general I guess: the discussion was pleasant, the person too, but I'm not really pulled towards wanting "more" with this person. Even though I could want it - but I don't think it is exactly the same process in my case than with other people: they anticipate, they have an innate curiosity or some pull that helps or do create or propell the relationship (and the other too). Of course people use their will in relationships too, but they have also other processes at play.
Internally speaking I don't have clear representations of relationships.
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I've thought again about the idea of not having found my tribe yet (as in SquarePegGuy's message) but when I ponder the subject, I feel that I don't really "belong" directly inside a social group - or at least not as neatly as how it usually works for people (here I think about introvert people in general who feel closer to my situation, I guess). My sense of belonging is more mediated by other aspects than by actual social proximity, I guess. I like to share and to transmit knowledge but actually I've often found out that I did not have the same relation towards the fields I like than others: I a very knowledgeable about Tolkien's works, for example, but I have not felt a pull to organize a social life about that passion. I guess that kind of thing is the reason why I remain mostly peripheral in social groups.

I had time to do introspection during my vacations in Italy. I still feel lonely and find that I would like to share my discoveries with someone, but this is a feeling that does not motivate me directly afterwards to act upon this incomplete (by the way) impression of an absence in my life. On the other hand a part of that feeling is maybe not strictly internal but the product of social pressure. I have trouble imagining a relationship indeed. Still, I am a bit anxious about the consequences of all that notably with time passing by (I'll be 37 years old soon and I guess the gap with other people gets larger and larger with time).
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@Nerevar Have you ever thought of getting a pet? A small dog or a cat? They just love you and don't expect anything in return. You can just be comfortable being you around them and you get love back every time. I'm not suggesting this in place of friends or as a fix to what's occurring. Just a thought.
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